I’m currently working on a group of sock patterns, and have been designing (and knitting) several pairs of socks. You very rarely see my sock knitting on this blog, so you won’t know that I make plain socks for Tom pretty much all of the time and that such socks form my relaxing, evening, I-don’t-have-to-think-about-anything kind of knitting. When I started knitting socks, I preferred to make the cuff-down, heel flap kind, but some time in 2015—when I designed and knitted the first pair of what would become the Baffies pattern—I discovered I really enjoyed a toe-up sock construction.

Over the next few years, without thinking about it all that much, toe-up constructions gradually took hold of my sock knitting. I designed and knitted Tom’s Lord of the Isles kilt hose, for example (the socks he wore at our wedding) from the toe-up.
And, as time went on, I found that, though I still knitted cuff-down plain socks, more often than not I’d cast on a pair of socks toe-up when it was time to start another pair. I’m sure that lots of us have our own plain sock formula etched in our brains: the cast on stitch count, the numbers for the heel turn and so on . . . and, over time, my go-to formula became a toe-up one.

When we were photographing the Carbeth Creature, it decided it would like to work on a cuff-down sock that was hanging around my knitting pile, unfinished.

It struck me that this unfinished object was now something of an anomaly, and that knitting a sock of that construction now felt slightly odd.

I’m not sure I can quite get to the bottom of why my sock knitting changed direction. I certainly have no views on whether one construction method is essentially better than another. It’s not a matter of comfort or fit (since Tom wears all of the plain socks I knit and says it makes no difference), nor do I (for example) have a particular dislike of any technique involved in the cuff down construction, such as grafting or picking up stitches. Perhaps there’s just something in the continuity of working a sock toe-up that I find essentially enjoyable—the the only real ‘break’ in the knitting is at the heel turn—and I certainly find that construction lends itself to colourwork combinations that are rather pleasing.

Either way, I’ve now discovered a definite preference for toe-up sock construction, and this is interesting to me because where sweaters are concerned I honestly don’t have a preference.

Several of my favourite knits / designs of recent months have been knitted from the top down. . . but an equal number have been worked bottom up.

Yet unlike my sweater knitting, with socks, a particular direction has definitely taken hold of me. And, as I gradually develop and knit up my ideas for the designs included in our new wee collection, it seems likely that all the patterns will be written in this way.

Do you have a sock-construction preference? Has this changed over time? And can you (unlike me) put your finger on precisely why that is?
I signed up for the Bluestocking Club and so looking forward to it. I tried toe-up once and did not enjoy it! I will try again but will return to my comforting method if not enjoyable. Knitting should be enjoyable! I always knit on DPN’s
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totally agree, Elaine! Feel free to adapt any of these patterns to your preferred method.
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Bit late to the thread but have just signed up to the Bluestocking Club and was mooching around when I found this thread. I have been knitting socks for years but always top down, plain and fairly risk free! I have just completed your beautiful bieldy socks. My lovely knitting partner in crime bought the yarn and pattern as a birthday gift…..I said I wanted a challenge! So many new things learned despite being a knitter all my life-toe up socks, fairlise in socks, different heel, plaiting, i-cord cast off…these are many of the techniques I’d been actively avoiding (like steeking!) I am so pleased with them and have enjoyed the experience of the toe up approach. So, what will I use in the future for socks? I don’t really know and joining the club will broaden my sockie horizons. Like yourself, I always have a pair on the go!
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I do both. I typically knit my husband’s socks toe-up, because he has very large feet, and it’s easier to maximize yarn usage that way. (Also, when I knit toe up, I usually still do a “heel” flap construction – with the flap on the bottom of the heel for some cushioning.) But I also like top down socks just fine. I think that I find the toe up (turkish) cast on a bit less fussy, as I don’t have to divide a bunch of stitches and make sure they’re not twisted, so perhaps there’s a bit of preference there (coupled with yarn maximization)…
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I teach knitting and i find toe up sock easier for beginner. The toe and heel are the same, we do shadow wraps.
Like everything else the more you do a technique, the more you are familiar with it. I knitted a lot of socks at my son basketball games. Out of town tournements met a lot of knitting time. I could do the toe up heels without thinking.
I also do cuff down but not as often and usually because i am doing somebody’s pattern.
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I love your style.
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Socks are toe up for me. I have developed my go to pattern. I like to have the toes match since I like to wear them with pants and no shoes in the house. Whether standing , sitting or with your feet up, all I can see is the toes. I like to knit plain socks from patterned sock yarn so getting the toes to match at the start is easier. Before I start I divide the yarn in two and knit until I run out. If I want the socks longer, I do the cuffs in a complimentary colour. To ensure a stretchy cast off at the top, I add extra stitches in the last row of ribbing.
I prefer my sweaters bottom up though. I like the structure of seams.
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I am a top down sock knitter all of the way. Sock knitting is my comfort knitting and I always have a pair on the needles (DPNs).
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Toe up with a gusset for a high instep! I enjoy the cast on. Also you can make the socks long without worrying about if you have enough yarn left. I like that with toe up you get through all the tricky bits earlier than with a cuff-down. Also I dislike picking up stitches for cuff-down. Toe-up is the equivalent of a top-down sweater in that you can try it on for fit as you go.
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I, too, knit socks at night as relaxation. I prefer the toe up method. I am more secure knowing the exact length of the foot and where the heel will be placed using this method. I am wrapping and turning the heels, as I find it a neat-looking finish and I don’t have to go back and rip out to add in the afterthought heel. There is the added benefit of using up the ball of yarn as I can pretty much keep knitting until the ball of yarn runs out. :-)
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I love knitting socks, up, down, any which way. I do tend to knit top down, just from habit.
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When I learned to knit, socks were my first real project. We were taught a very basic sock recipe: cuff down, heel flap, star toe. The great thing about the recipe is the checkpoint approach, like this: “start decreasing for the toe when the smallest toe is totally hidden within the sock”. I spent my first knitting years exclusively making socks, so I know this recipe by heart. I have all the numbers in my head for my whole family. Later, I discovered toe-up socks , I can see some advantages and sometimes I even knit socks toe up but I haven’t quite figured out where to start the heel (I find it very difficult to work to “xx cm less than desired foot length” – where is that on my foot? I would love a “landmark” but I’m not sure if I would go as far as getting one tattoed :-D). I have my preference and it hasn’t changed in 20 years of sock knitting but that doesn’t mean anything :-)
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If you’d like a template (or at the very least figure out where this “landmark” is), the Fish Lips Kiss heel has a great explanation on creating a cardboard template that precisely tells you where you need to start your heel from (either top down or toe up). It’s actually quite ingenious and works! 🥰🥳🙌. There’s math in it but with the help of the 3 measurements you need to take + excel, you should be able to do the calculations easily. 👍
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thanks so much! I have the fish lips kiss heel template – and I’m not afraid of calculations at all (that would be bad in my job), only very set in my ways ;-)
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You’re very welcome! I hope you find your “landmark”! 👍😍
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Cuff down is the winner for me.
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To start with when I first learnt how to knit socks, in the pre-ravelry era, I learnt top down. Then I learnt about the toe up variation, and I knitted everything toe up. Now I do both, depending on my mood, and the style of socks I want to make. I find the beginning of toe up socks a bit fiddly, so if I’m looking for mindless, and plain, I often end up knitting top down. But if I have variegated yarn, and/or want to have a different colour on the toe, heel and cuff, I prefer to knit toe up, as I don’t like how the heel flap and gusset heel looks when using a different colour.
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I’m in awe of all you clever folks who find sock knitting “brainless”. Maybe I just haven’t knitted enough of them but I find jumpers or hats much easier! You’re a smart lot!
In any case, I think toe up.
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I am very impressed with Hi-socks of Assia Brili:) https://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/hi-socks-2
she had been working on this very elegant ingenior solution for more than 3 years and the result is astonishing. I made 2 par and want to make more, there are tons of possibilities for changing patterns used for this special form. The whole idea of making socks without the classic hale is very impressive for me:)
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I prefer cuff down. Like you (and many others it seems) I use socks for mindless knitting, often starting them when I need something to fiddle with while watching TV. I know my preferred cast-on technique for cuff-down by heart, so that’s easy to begin. But I’m not so familiar with the starts of toe-up socks, that requires attention, and so I don’t end up starting them at all…
But I do use toe-up patterns occasionally, especially if I have a fancy skein I want to use fully. Cuff-down always ends up with leftover wool for me. Mostly I don’t mind that, I quite enjoy matching up odds and ends for striped socks.
I do find the top-down heel flap fits my foot shape well. I tend to wear my handknit socks around the house without shoes, and the heel flap ones seem to stay on my feet better.
In sweaters I prefer top down – so I can try as I go more easily, and abandon a project early if I’m not liking how it looks / fits. I guess I’m bad at picturing this in the abstract?!
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looks interesting. I will try this method.
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I knit my socks top down – I’ve tried the toe up & really don’t get on with the cast on. Too fiddly & my finger joints don’t like it!! I’ve worn my own knit socks nearly every day now since 1983! (Just had a birthday and the consensus is that I’m not quite old enough to start letting everyone I meet how old I am, but it won’t be long now 😂) I came home from my first term of university complaining of permanent cold feet & my gran (who taught me to knit when I was about 4) suggested I make myself some socks. She gave me the most wonderful pattern booklet from, I guess, the 1940s (when my dad & uncle would have been small). It’s full of sock patterns, but also baby clothes, adult Spencers & long johns, balaclavas & other pre-central heating goodies. I’ve been making my own socks ever since – I change round the details from time to time, & the colours evolve, but basically it’s the same cuff-down pattern as always. (And yes I did make myself a pair of 4ply long johns, which I wore for dance class back in the day.)
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hurrah for fabulous knitted long johns!
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I have ever knitted socks, I have the bieldy kit and one day soon I will cast on .
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I prefer toe-up with short row heels. That method just lets me fit the socks to my feet and legs better, and if I want I can just keep knitting until the yarn is used up :)
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I have knitted socks for – oh! – 45 years, and most of them top down with heel flap and gusset. With modern times and online knitting communities came endless variations of the humble sock, so now I knit top down, toe up, heel flap and gusset, german short row heel, sweet tomato heel, fish lips kiss heel – and a variation on the heel flap/gusset, that I ‘unvented’ myself, where I don’t pick up stitches.
A lot of them I know by heart.
Isn’t choice grand?
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indeed!
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Already so many comments but I’ll add one more in case you’re taking a poll. I like casting on (Turkish) for toe-up, but I also like grafting. Unfortunately I have found neither a cast on or bind off that is suitably stretchy without being saggy, so my poor cuffs are never ideal. All that being taken into account, I usually knit socks toe-up, and I have recently reverse-engineered the original cuff-down heel flap I learned because I have never found a better heel gusset replacement. Whichever direction, they are fun to knit!
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I like cuff down heel flap best, usually with a star (?) toe (no kitchener), and I find them easy to try on as needed.
No walking with the needles in though.
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I like to knit socks when I am out and about, on my commute to work (I rarely knit on my way home as I like to nap) and in queues or waiting rooms. I have memorized a pattern and knit toe up. I have never tried top down socks. However; this I spent this past weekend reading the sock patterns in a sock book and I think I will try top down. When it comes to jumpers, pullovers, I much prefer bottom up. I have knit a few top down jumpers, but I don’t enjoy the experience as much. Perhaps I just need more experience. Like most things in life, we tend to have favourites.
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Definitely cuff down, have yet to find a toe up heel that I can reinforce and looks nice. Toe up heels just leave me blah.
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Toe up with a fish lips kiss heel – you can add a strand if lace weight silk/mohair to the heel for warmth and reinforcement.
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So interesting that almost everyone here prefers the toe-up sock method and justifies it by thrift with yarn and easier fit… both of which are the reasons I give for preferring cuff-down sock knitting! This makes me think that I must be understanding the terms or the goals differently. And this is a good exercise in the kind of culture-crossing thinking Kate has been discussing in her last few posts. I’m learning from others here that the yarn-saving idea in toe-up is that you have a sock made entirely from the same yarn (or yarns, if a multicolored pattern is made) — even if it means a shorter leg and cuff. In my own family/culture, the idea is to be sure the part of the sock that shows above the shoe is all the same. So you knit both legs cuff-down to the heel first and then finish the pair with what you have left — if need be, with yarns of your choice to complete the foot and toe. I ran across a pair of my mother’s socks recently that have very prim and proper dark blue cuffs and legs down to the heels — and then frivol off into a couple of bright stripes and one pink toe! I don’t think any of my family’s knitters would have considered a shorter sock leg to be an option, given that the socks are usually worn in cold weather. I won’t even begin to justify cuff-down try-ons, which I also prefer. I’ll just say that, like others, if I like the pattern well enough, I’ll plunge into whatever approach the designer chooses, at least for the first time through.
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I love the mental image evoked by your description of your mother’s navy/pink socks. This concept of getting the cuff part to match really resonates with me- I have a pretty creative approach to anything below the heel and enjoy the sense of fun you get with mismatches ‘below the line’. I’ve found I often get 1 and a half pairs out of a 100g skein if I knit for my husband and myself! Personally, I’m totally unfussed about direction/construction, as long as it involves a tube, mainly round and round, with a couple of more interesting bits.
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Toe up, hands down! There are so many heel constructions now, that they are virtually indistinguishable from knitting in “the other direction”. I, too, love the continuity of knitting toe up and ‘building’ a sock.
Toe up forever! :-)
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I tried toe up. I really tried toe up – and I did not like it at all. I have gone back to top down. I have the basic pattern in my head. I keep notes of the number of stitches/rounds needed for the feet of various people but that is all. Someone once said to me “But don’t you get tired of doing the same thing all the time?” No, it is still possible to vary the stitch patterns!
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Oh toe-up every time, with a short row heel because I can remember that & just get on and knit.
Advantages – i) no Kitchenering
ii) you can make the sock as long or short as you yarn allows,
iii) when KIPing you can just hold up your (pair of) sock(s) and it’s self explanatory. This is good on trains and with Social Distancing!
iv) I’m lazy. Toe up you just have to sew in two ends and done!
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I have only ever really knit cuff down, but am wanting to get to some toe up constructions as I’m stuck on ankle socks because my calves are mahoooosive and I think toe up is going to be much more helpful when trying to fit them up to my knee.
Looking forward to seeing your designs, Kate.
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Toe up
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Socks — definitely toe up. Now I never run out of yarn, there are never lumpy toe seams (I am a HORRIBLE kitchener-er), and it’s bind-off and go. On the other hand, sweaters are definitely top down — so much easier to make sure it’s the right length every time!
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I like toe-up two at a time on 2 circular needles. Especially if yarn is limited then I can just keep knitting and cast off just before it runs out.
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I prefer to knit socks toe-up so I can make them longer than mid-calf; however, I don’t enjoy knitting plain ribbed socks and prefer most of the top-down patterns.
My favorite sock knitting is to knit with a knit-along. They go faster and both are done at the same time. Sock KALs are the only KALs I enjoy at this stage of my knitting. Somehow, the anticipation of the clue, the bite-sized activity of each clue, and the ability to actually use more of my needle collection make the KALs fun and satisfying. I’ve also learned quite a lot from others along the way!
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I always knit top down and use a short row heel. This has become mindless and highly enjoyable. Barbara Fletcher
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Most often cuff down, but I have now AT LAST cracked the toe-up version with Turkish Cast On which is so clever and neat that I am feeling that either way will do, depending on the pattern the yarn, how I feel. I start Turkish Cast On with a 2mm circular needle and after a couple of rows easily move on to 2.5 dpns. Previously I could not get the hang of the 4 dons over the beginning toe stitches. Now I need to learn the magic of 2 socks at the same time.
With sweaters, I don’t mind either way, except that having recently finished 2 large top down cardigans, I got a bit fed up of manoeuvring the great blanket of knitting while doing the sleeves – and I do like to knit both sleeves at the same time.
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When I saw the headline “Changing Directions,” I immediately said to myself, “Oh no! She’s not going to knit or blog about knitting anymore and then what will my favorite blog be?!?”
What a relief!
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ha – worry not – there is a whole lot of knitting yet to come!
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Phew!
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Socks are my portable knitting- grab and go to the bank, my doctor’s office, anywhere I may have to wait. I always have a pair or two on the go. They are mindless and relaxing. I’ve tried most types of sock construction, but in general I’m a cuff down, heel flap kinda gal. With cuff down, I don’t have to decide on whom they are for (ie. the foot length) until I’m near the end. I also MagicLoop two-at-time which amazes Muggles when I knit in public.
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My favourite sock knitting method has become toe up using 2 circulars (not the tiny ones) .with the fish lips kiss heel, sometimes I use top down but still with the fish lips kiss heel. I find sock knitters have their favourite working method, it is just a personal choice.
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I knit socks as no-brain-required knitting. Portable, no pattern needed and endless variations. My main Sock Recipients have the same size feet as me, so I don’t even have to memorise different sizes. My preferred method is toe-up, on dpns, using Judy’s Magic Cast-On, but one of my Sock Recipients likes a picot edge, which I do more neatly top-down. It means I have to Kitchener the toe, which is less neat when I do it, but that is conveniently hidden by shoes.
I am currently enamoured of helical stripes.
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I like top down socks because I know adding a longer heel flap and picking up more stitches works for a high insteps. I have made a couple toe up socks and made them fit eventually. However I usually end up ripping out the entire heel section to do so. The negative ease of socks and the slight variation of sock yarns make corrections much easier in top down knitting. I will keep trying them though. Eventually they might make more sense to me. It would be nice to use up almost all the yarn in a skein. Leftover yarn seems like it multiplies.
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My go-to is cuff down, probably because I learned to knit socks following Elizabeth Zimmerman’s Woodsman pattern. But I would like to knit toe up, since that method allows checking for fit more easily. I just can’t get the hang of Judy’ magic loop cast-on.
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over the years i have enjoyed trying out many styles of sock knitting. toe up – top down I could conquer any style of sock construction.
because a sock project is so small and easy to carry about plain sock knitting has been my therapy for stress relief.
in the past year as tensions built up in every ones lives I found that even plain socks became too much for the brain to deal with.
so now I amuse myself and knit long tubes with no beginning and no end – 40″ of circular goodness that requires little thought on my part. the stitches flow through my fingers soothing my soul. then when my brain and body is ready to think I snip here and there to add afterthought everything – toes, heels and cuffs. each tube becomes socks to fit the many different sizes of feet of my family and friends.
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My first few socks were a mix of toe up or cuff down, because I was following the pattern and didn’t have a generic formula in my head. After those first pairs, I realised I disliked the short leg section of pretty much every pattern — I like a good long leg, reaching halfway up the calf. So I started seeking toe up patterns in order to make the legs as longer. And then I realised that with my small feet I could always get the long legs I wanted out of a standard skein of sock yarn, without worrying about running out. So — finally! — now I prefer a cuff down, heel flap construction, since something new always comes up just as you are sick of the section you’re working on now. But I don’t dislike toe up at all — if the pattern appeals to me, I’ll do any construction!
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I find it difficult to conceptualise how the heels work on toe up. I’ve never found a pattern that spells every single row out and because I don’t really understand what is happening I can’t just ‘continue as per pattern until you have the correct number of stitches left’. I have made one of a pair and the heel is just a complete mess. I will force myself to do the second but they will never bring me joy. So, if you plan a book, please can there be a really clear, jargon free, line by line explanation, with photos in light coloured yarn…
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I’ve knitted socks both ways, but top down flap-and-gusset is the way I learnt first, and the way I’ve memorised the basic recipe for, so it’s the way I knit plain socks without a pattern as I know how to make them fit me.
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Toe up, definitely. I started with toe up a long time ago. Then I tried cuff down, especially when I realized I could knit the first two rows without dividing onto several dpns, then divide and sew up the little gap with the cast on tail. That made dividing much easier. But I have returned to toe up, and am in a sock knitting phase now, actually, I’ve turned out half a dozen pairs of toe up in the last month or so. Just plain old socks, nothing fancy, but very pleasing!
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Having undergone two shoulder surgeries in the past year, I haven’t been knitting much at all lately, but when I was knitting, I knit socks toe-up, two at a time on magic loop. In my family, feet run long and narrow and the thought of running out of yarn before finishing the toe was harrowing to say the least. By starting toe-up you are at least assured of a wearable sock!
Knitting two at a time on magic loop also means that when you’re done, you’re done with that pair and they will match!
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I’m in the cuff down camp. And I knit them on double points.
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Ti, me to. No need to think except for the Kitchener, and even then sometimes I don’t bother and use a 3 needle cast off (no, it’s not annoying to wear).
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When I want to mindlessly knit a sock, I do top-down, simply because I’ve knit about 40 pairs that way, and I can get into the mindless rhythm of it right away. Toe up takes a good half hour of braining, which is enough to put off the part of me that wanted to brainlessly start socks. HOWEVER, I am starting to knit handspun socks, and those I knit bottom up, so as to use every inch of precious handspun! So, my normal may change.
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I find there are pluses and minuses to both methods. I prefer to do socks two-at-a-time and the cast-on for toe-up seems to be less fiddly and less prone to laddering for me; I know there will be no weird kitchener ear-tag and can have the ends woven in before I even reach the end of the toe. I can also see progress on a toe-up sock quicker than with a cuff-down (which seem to take forever, even though it’s the same amount of knitting regardless). The biggest thing is that cuff-down are more likely to fit my foot properly. I have a high instep and the distance from heel to top of foot is large but my feet and ankles are quite narrow so if it fits in those places, it’s hard to get over my heels or too loose if it does. I don’t yet have the sock-adjusting skillset for fixing those issues but it does tend to rule out colourwork socks as the extra snugness of stranded knitting is thwarted by my proportionally giant ‘henkles’.
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Yup, similar feet, Carly, with high instep, narrow ankles, so cuff-down for fit, although I’ve done toe-up when concerned about yarn running out.
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I started knitting socks cuff down and hated it. I have very wide , short feet and it was hard to try on as I went. I discovered toe up and never looked back. I love Judy’s magic cast on- the kitchner alway s annoyed my toes. and if I’m short on yarn I can just make the leg shorter! Since I had second sock syndrome (never liked making the same thing twice . now I do 2 at a time on magic loop- at least if i make a “mistake” (design decision) I do it on both socks.
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Dear Kate,
My favorite knits are sweaters bottom-up and socks toe-up. Why? Because I like it when every stitch smiles :)
To me, every “v” of a stitch – especially in fair isle knitting – looks so much friendlier this way.
The Bieldy socks are beautiful (as is all else)
Cheers, Carina.
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Toe up sock construction was a revelation – try as you go and generally just more fun for me! I like to divide my ball and use all my yarn up. In recent years I have come to absolutely prefer top down garments as well. In fact I’m not sure that I will ever choose a bottom up sweater again! I just love the construction of a top down and the try as you go convenience. Also I magic loop everything.
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I very much prefer toe-up. When knitting cuff-down 9 out of 10 time I can’t get the foot length right. I don’t know why, but for me it is much easier to get the right point to start with the heel instead of the toes. And in addition, I like the cast-on “cage” for the toes better (using a turkish winding cast-on) instead of the decreasing type.
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I prefer top-down, but I don’t graft the toes. When I get to the toe shaping I turn the sock inside-out, and finish it that way, ending with a neat and strong 3 needle bind-off. Both husband and I have high-volume feet, so I like to knit a deep heel flap, which is easy top down.
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I was hoping that one of the comments would mention the ease of the “inside out 3-needle bind off!” I sort of discovered it for myself in a wonderful Eureeka! moment.
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As an amateur and slow knitter I read your blog Kate, and all the posts, with incredulous admiration! But one thing I have done with my cuff down knitting is to knit left and right feet shaped toes … very comfy … if you get them on the correct feet that is!!
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I can knit socks both ways but prefer cuff down. This is probably because I can knit cuff down socks in my sleep which makes them my “brain dead” knitting. However, I look forward to your collection of toe up and will purchase the book when it’s published.
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I like top down sock knitting only because I have the pattern memorized now. I used to think I could customize the fit better with a toe up construction, since the sock could be tried on as knitted. But I find I don’t really bother with it like I thought I would. You’ve inspired me to cast on a new pair of socks today! I love mindless sock knitting.
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me too!
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I love the cushions on your sofa. are they made by a small scale textile artist? any recommendations? (I don’t demand an answer, only answer if it pleases you)
about changing directions : I don’t like changes, why change when something is good. but I did. I knitted the Evendoon, my first ever topdown, and it worked very well, so now I am not so afraid anymore of topdown.
so maybe you will seduce me to knit toe-up socks with your new collection.
do you call a change from ‘knitting in pieces’ to ‘knitting in the round’ also a change of direction? for me it certainly was. and it was the Cockatoo brae that showed me the way.
so I do change of directions, but not easily, I need a bit of a push.
greetings, mieke
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Hello Kate,
For my part, I knit socks from containment. It took a lot of perseverance to get to finish the first one, but since then I haven’t stopped: for me, Paul, gifts … As I knit with double pointed needles, I always start from the top : I don’t know a method to start from the bottom and replace the “magic loop” with double-pointed needles. If you have something to recommend to me … Happy Sunday.
Mouchka
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I think that it’s really a case of swings and roundabouts. I find the beginning of a toe up so a little fiddly but that doesn’t put me off a pattern I’d like to make even though I could change the direction if I wanted to. The pattern that lives in my head and on a photocopy in a plastic sleeve in my portable work bag is the Patons plain Lady/Man socks (there are also versions in stripes, cables and rib). This is a very versatile top down pattern with a foot on 60 stitches for a my size, which is a particularly useful number of pattern repeats since its divisible by 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 . I find the pattern title mildly amusing (the perfect gift for your non-binary friends!) and I rather like the fact that it comes from the – now sadly defunct – Patons and Baldwins mill in my hometown. The advantage of this particular top down sock is its familiarity. However, the toe up socks are particularly useful if you have a limited amount of yarn so you can knit until you run out. Some lace patterns work better going one way or the other. I would, however like to do some explorations of different kinds of heels.
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I like both. I do usually do top down if it is my own design as I prefer my own “Achilles” heel construct which doesn’t work well in reverse. If I am using a pattern (do you love General Hogbuffer), I generally follow it whichever. However toe up has, for me, the huge advantage of carrying no worry about sufficient yarn length as the foot must be what it must be but the leg can go on as long as the yarn does. I do like Bieldy so it’s on the future project list .. as are more nice things than I have years knitting left in me I fear.
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No much prefer cuff down. The increases at the toe wear less well well for me (they get gappy however I make them) than decreases cuff down. Also get the length fit much better cuff down then toe up.
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Very funny Penny as I am the exact opposite! My decreases are always “gappy” so toe up works better for me.
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I’ve only recently learnt to knit socks, and it’s been a revelation about comfort – no more terrible marks on my legs where socks usually dig in. At the moment all mine are cuff down and plain, this is due to finding a fantastic easy to understand pattern and using some of the lovely single skeins of hand-dyed wool I’ve collected over the years. I can’t imagine starting at the toe, but the idea of not having to graft the toes at the end does have appeal. When knitting jumpers I prefer top down as it makes the sleeves tidier – I have trouble sometimes getting the stitches in the armholes and have ended up with holes that need to be sewn up. I prefer to knit a garment in one piece as much as possible, as I’m a bit lazy about sewing things together.
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To avoid holes in your armholes a good trick is to pick up as much stitches as you need, no matter how many the pattern indicates; you can decrease the excess the next round.
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Oh yes! I will never ever knit a toe up sock again.
For just one simple reason: they don’t fit well enough on my square toe, gusset, heel and tiny small ankle.
Like you write, I know how many stitches I have to cast on, which needle to use, how many rows for all the parts. I have developed my own formula or recipe which I import in every sock pattern I knit.
I have my own way of knitting a good firm heel flap, square heel turn, so not diagonal, and a wide toe for my square toe.
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After many years I’ve come to a modified toe up sock…. someone else said about starting at the easiest point for trying on, and that’s my preference, so, toe up for socks, top down for sweaters.
The modification being that I start at the point where the toe increasing ends, doing a provisional cast on of the count of stitches for the “tube”. Having cast off at the top (or not even waiting til then!!!) I pick up the cast on stitches and work the toe – this way, should the toe wear out, it is very easy to replace – especially as, for plain socks, I usually do the toe and heel with a contrast colour.
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Hi Kate – am so impressed with people like you who can knit without a pattern or change things as you go along. Whilst I love knitting, and your designs, I don’t enjoy knitting on circular needles -in spite of trying many times – knitting on two needles is an intrinsic part of me, being taught to knit like this as a child. Am always sorry I can’t adapt and join in 😕
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I personally prefer the toe-up method. I like the idea that I can try it on (even on other people’s feet or templates I’ve made/gotten) as I go. :) I have tried the cuff-down method (it was actually my first “practice” sock) but disliked it because I couldn’t quite get the fit right (it could also be the fact that I was still learning how to knit socks so I didn’t quite figure out my gauge/sock sizes yet, nor had my “vanilla” pattern down yet either). However, I find that for all of my garment knitting, I prefer the top-down, toe-up methods the most. I think it’s simply the idea that I can try it on as I go and have some real-life (see how it really fits) moments with my garment. When done the opposite way, while you can try it on as you go, there’s no “anchor” to hold down/up your knitting so, you don’t quite know how long (or how much gravity will really drag down) your garment will be (plus, I tend to be a puller so, I could be stretching out my knitting beyond what it really will/should be – I know the same can be said about the opposite direction (aka top-down or toe-up) but, you can always add onto the bottom/top of the sock/feet if one finds that you pulled “too much” & it’s too short). Thanks for posting this blog and sharing your thoughts on this process! :)
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I do love the toe-up construction but always panic slightly about when to start the gusset shaping!
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I’m still quite a beginner in knitting so for me this is absolutely clear. Things should be knitted in a way that you can try them on while knitting, to decide/check when to change shape and/or finish. Socks from the toe up, sweaters from the neck down. Of course there are factors which mean this is only an estimate of the fit (like blocking and the thing’s own weight when finished) but still, an estimate is way better than nothing!
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I mean, maybe someone can try them on when knitting from the other side as well, but I have found that the “opening” direction (from toe, neck) is way easier to navigate than “closing”. Hat patterns usually go in the “closing” direction and it is so difficult to decide how to adapt the pattern (when to start closing and how fast) if it doesn’t suit me, it may look right when I knit but then it often ends up too big or too small!
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Yes! The Hat Fit Dilemma. It is very sad.
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